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		<title>By: rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Mama Naturale--I am sure I could manage to use up homemade almond milk in five days.  I will give it a try and maybe even report back on the Green Baby Guide!

Monica, you have given me quite an education.  When my daughter turned one, I latched on to the "local vs. organic" debate without really considering other options, like raw milk or goat milk.  VERY interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Mama Naturale&#8211;I am sure I could manage to use up homemade almond milk in five days.  I will give it a try and maybe even report back on the Green Baby Guide!</p>
<p>Monica, you have given me quite an education.  When my daughter turned one, I latched on to the &#8220;local vs. organic&#8221; debate without really considering other options, like raw milk or goat milk.  VERY interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca,
I'm certainly not an expert on raw milk! 
I only started taking a look at it after reading an article at Dr. Mercola and all the comments he got about it. I'll try to find you the link, it's interesting stuff.

I question a lot of what our institutions say is "healthy" for us. I've know for years that milk and milk products are related to so many illnesses (allergies, insensitivities, asthma, colon disorders, skin issues etc) and that many people receive relief as soon as they cut them out of their diet. I certainly saw an improvement.

I spoke with a local raw milk supplier and she said that pasturization is only necessary due to the massive industry that exists and the filthy environment the cows live in. The cows are milked at such a rate that it is unprofitable for each cow's teats to be washed before milking to remove feces. Her cows live on grass and are individually washed before milking.

Also on a side note, the pasturization and germ theories that dominate our  society go hand in hand thanks to Louis Pasteur. Many believe this is where we lost our way when understanding how the body works and how we can be independently healthy, and why we allow big pharma to dominate our health system.

Big topics for a little old bottle of milk! Thanks for your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca,<br />
I&#8217;m certainly not an expert on raw milk!<br />
I only started taking a look at it after reading an article at Dr. Mercola and all the comments he got about it. I&#8217;ll try to find you the link, it&#8217;s interesting stuff.</p>
<p>I question a lot of what our institutions say is &#8220;healthy&#8221; for us. I&#8217;ve know for years that milk and milk products are related to so many illnesses (allergies, insensitivities, asthma, colon disorders, skin issues etc) and that many people receive relief as soon as they cut them out of their diet. I certainly saw an improvement.</p>
<p>I spoke with a local raw milk supplier and she said that pasturization is only necessary due to the massive industry that exists and the filthy environment the cows live in. The cows are milked at such a rate that it is unprofitable for each cow&#8217;s teats to be washed before milking to remove feces. Her cows live on grass and are individually washed before milking.</p>
<p>Also on a side note, the pasturization and germ theories that dominate our  society go hand in hand thanks to Louis Pasteur. Many believe this is where we lost our way when understanding how the body works and how we can be independently healthy, and why we allow big pharma to dominate our health system.</p>
<p>Big topics for a little old bottle of milk! Thanks for your question.</p>
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		<title>By: La Mama Naturale'</title>
		<link>http://greenbabyguide.com/2008/05/30/earth-friendly-beverages-for-baby-organic-milk-from-local-dairies/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>La Mama Naturale'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good ?- about 5 days...you'll want to make sure it gets used. It's really yummy though. Thanks for coming by the site. I just freecycled the 2  exersaucers yesterday in fact.. and through that adventure found a playdate! Yipee. You're so right though, you can't expect your family and friends to get them exacty what you asked them to. We can only drop hints and try, right! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good ?- about 5 days&#8230;you&#8217;ll want to make sure it gets used. It&#8217;s really yummy though. Thanks for coming by the site. I just freecycled the 2  exersaucers yesterday in fact.. and through that adventure found a playdate! Yipee. You&#8217;re so right though, you can&#8217;t expect your family and friends to get them exacty what you asked them to. We can only drop hints and try, right! <img src='http://greenbabyguide.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have to try that almond milk recipe.  Thanks!  About how long does it last in the refrigerator?  I like that you can also use up the leftover pulp--no waste!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have to try that almond milk recipe.  Thanks!  About how long does it last in the refrigerator?  I like that you can also use up the leftover pulp&#8211;no waste!</p>
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		<title>By: La Mama Naturale'</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Mama Naturale'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rebecca,
Almond milk is super easy to make!!You soak a 1 cup or more of almonds overnight then blend until smooth- with 3 cups of water or more depending- strain out the excess put that back into the blender and add vanilla and honey to sweeten. If you make it you won't have to worry about all the extra sugar. It tastes SO GOOD homemade.  Save the pulp to spread on sandwiches or add to pancakes and breads...yum! I may have to post on this sometime...try it out and let me know if you do! And, I think I have my husband convinced we need a goat!!! I'm so excited. My son is 13 mos. so he's really only drinking it minimally and nursing still remains the number one choice!!! ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rebecca,<br />
Almond milk is super easy to make!!You soak a 1 cup or more of almonds overnight then blend until smooth- with 3 cups of water or more depending- strain out the excess put that back into the blender and add vanilla and honey to sweeten. If you make it you won&#8217;t have to worry about all the extra sugar. It tastes SO GOOD homemade.  Save the pulp to spread on sandwiches or add to pancakes and breads&#8230;yum! I may have to post on this sometime&#8230;try it out and let me know if you do! And, I think I have my husband convinced we need a goat!!! I&#8217;m so excited. My son is 13 mos. so he&#8217;s really only drinking it minimally and nursing still remains the number one choice!!! ; )</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca</title>
		<link>http://greenbabyguide.com/2008/05/30/earth-friendly-beverages-for-baby-organic-milk-from-local-dairies/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's so interesting reading everyone's replies.  It seems like there are two major issues most of us are grappling with: the health issue and the environmental issue.

Monica--thanks for writing your first comment!  What are the advantages of raw dairy products?  I imagine they are packed with more vitamins and minerals and are closer to their natural state, but you always hear about the importance of pasturization.  (And pregnant women are advised not to eat unpasturized dairy products, so I thought it would be the same for small children.)  I'd be interested in hearing more about that!

La Mama Naturale--I did not know that goat milk was naturally homogenized, and the health benefits seem great.  Four hours away sounds pretty good from an environmental standpoint . . . like I said, much of the organic milk I was finding came from way across the country.

Angel Funk--I was careful to look for RBST-free milk, but I hadn't even thought of cows getting anti-biotics.  I will have to look into that!

Eileen, my daughter is a picky eater, too, so I would never give up milk, which she does love.  As far as organic milk being better than conventional, I guess I was looking at that as an environmental issue.  Organic cows would be eating grass not treated with pesticides, wouldn't have chemicals or hormones injected into them, etc.  From an environmental standpoint, I have decided that hormone-free is important but that local milk is better for the planet than faraway organic milk.  Of course, this was just my own rationalization for not buying organic milk.  Like you, I didn't want to pay twice as much for it.

Joie, I also felt like regular milk offered more nutrition than its substitutes.  Most soy milk has sugar added, and there is that estrogen thing to worry about.  Almond milk seems like a better choice, although I believe it has sugar in it, too.  Has anyone tried making almond milk?  It's supposed to be pretty easy.  I have tried Pacific Village, which wasn't available when I was first looking for organic + local milk.  Now it is for us Oregonians. 

Thanks for all the comments--keep them coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so interesting reading everyone&#8217;s replies.  It seems like there are two major issues most of us are grappling with: the health issue and the environmental issue.</p>
<p>Monica&#8211;thanks for writing your first comment!  What are the advantages of raw dairy products?  I imagine they are packed with more vitamins and minerals and are closer to their natural state, but you always hear about the importance of pasturization.  (And pregnant women are advised not to eat unpasturized dairy products, so I thought it would be the same for small children.)  I&#8217;d be interested in hearing more about that!</p>
<p>La Mama Naturale&#8211;I did not know that goat milk was naturally homogenized, and the health benefits seem great.  Four hours away sounds pretty good from an environmental standpoint . . . like I said, much of the organic milk I was finding came from way across the country.</p>
<p>Angel Funk&#8211;I was careful to look for RBST-free milk, but I hadn&#8217;t even thought of cows getting anti-biotics.  I will have to look into that!</p>
<p>Eileen, my daughter is a picky eater, too, so I would never give up milk, which she does love.  As far as organic milk being better than conventional, I guess I was looking at that as an environmental issue.  Organic cows would be eating grass not treated with pesticides, wouldn&#8217;t have chemicals or hormones injected into them, etc.  From an environmental standpoint, I have decided that hormone-free is important but that local milk is better for the planet than faraway organic milk.  Of course, this was just my own rationalization for not buying organic milk.  Like you, I didn&#8217;t want to pay twice as much for it.</p>
<p>Joie, I also felt like regular milk offered more nutrition than its substitutes.  Most soy milk has sugar added, and there is that estrogen thing to worry about.  Almond milk seems like a better choice, although I believe it has sugar in it, too.  Has anyone tried making almond milk?  It&#8217;s supposed to be pretty easy.  I have tried Pacific Village, which wasn&#8217;t available when I was first looking for organic + local milk.  Now it is for us Oregonians. </p>
<p>Thanks for all the comments&#8211;keep them coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Joie</title>
		<link>http://greenbabyguide.com/2008/05/30/earth-friendly-beverages-for-baby-organic-milk-from-local-dairies/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Joie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a subject I have thought about a lot since my son came down with his first nasy stomach flu 5 days before his first birthday and a few weeks after weaning. In my typical way, I did a lot of internet research and found a recent medical case study of two upper middle class children who got rickets and one who had a different very rare nutritional disease because their parents were replacing milk with non-dairy substitutes. It is very hard to get the nutrients in milk from other sources. Not to say it can't be done.

We've been buying Pacific Village organic milk. http://www.newseasonsmarket.com/dynamicContent.aspx?loc=1001&#38;subloc=1&#38;menuId=1003
It is local and a lot more affordable than other brands. I'm not sure if it is available anywhere besides New Seasons Markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a subject I have thought about a lot since my son came down with his first nasy stomach flu 5 days before his first birthday and a few weeks after weaning. In my typical way, I did a lot of internet research and found a recent medical case study of two upper middle class children who got rickets and one who had a different very rare nutritional disease because their parents were replacing milk with non-dairy substitutes. It is very hard to get the nutrients in milk from other sources. Not to say it can&#8217;t be done.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been buying Pacific Village organic milk. <a href="http://www.newseasonsmarket.com/dynamicContent.aspx?loc=1001&amp;subloc=1&amp;menuId=1003" rel="nofollow">http://www.newseasonsmarket.com/dynamicContent.aspx?loc=1001&amp;subloc=1&amp;menuId=1003</a><br />
It is local and a lot more affordable than other brands. I&#8217;m not sure if it is available anywhere besides New Seasons Markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://greenbabyguide.com/2008/05/30/earth-friendly-beverages-for-baby-organic-milk-from-local-dairies/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do understand the pros and cons of cow's milk, but when you have a picky eater, there is nary a kid who doesn't like milk and there is a lot of sustenance in one cup of the stuff.  I figure if I can get my little guy to eat whole grain bread (that's all he's offered, at home at least), peanut butter and milk, he won't die of malnutrition.  He does also eat apples now, will suck on a piece of broccoli if there's ranch dressing all over it, and will take a bite of a carrot.  In fact, lately he will eat the spaghetti WITH the sauce.  This is progress.  One day, when I can really talk about the nitty gritty of nutrition with him, I know he will care about eating right because this kid is nothing if he isn't conscientious.  In the meantime, I count on his flintstone's daily and milk to fill in the gaps.  As far as Organic, I'm not 100% convinced that this is necessary.  For a while I was buying organic but lately it feels cost prohibitive.  A microbiologist friend of mine insists organic is a waste of money.  I don't know if he's right, but I use that as my excuse.  It is literally twice the price in stores where I shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do understand the pros and cons of cow&#8217;s milk, but when you have a picky eater, there is nary a kid who doesn&#8217;t like milk and there is a lot of sustenance in one cup of the stuff.  I figure if I can get my little guy to eat whole grain bread (that&#8217;s all he&#8217;s offered, at home at least), peanut butter and milk, he won&#8217;t die of malnutrition.  He does also eat apples now, will suck on a piece of broccoli if there&#8217;s ranch dressing all over it, and will take a bite of a carrot.  In fact, lately he will eat the spaghetti WITH the sauce.  This is progress.  One day, when I can really talk about the nitty gritty of nutrition with him, I know he will care about eating right because this kid is nothing if he isn&#8217;t conscientious.  In the meantime, I count on his flintstone&#8217;s daily and milk to fill in the gaps.  As far as Organic, I&#8217;m not 100% convinced that this is necessary.  For a while I was buying organic but lately it feels cost prohibitive.  A microbiologist friend of mine insists organic is a waste of money.  I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s right, but I use that as my excuse.  It is literally twice the price in stores where I shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are in a similar situation to what you described, we have access to local milk but it is not organic.

The dairy farm we get milk from is next to the organic farm we get our CSA from and I've spoken to the owners of both farms about the fact that Hatcher milk is not organic.  Their position is that their cows are like part of their family, and sometimes homeopathic or naturopathic methods do not  work for things like mastitis, so they will administer anti-biotics in those cases.  At an organic dairy farm the cows would have to be "put down" otherwise b/c under no circumstances can anti-biotics be administered.  This makes sense to me, and I know that the cows are in the pasture most of the day and are healthy and happy.  That's good enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in a similar situation to what you described, we have access to local milk but it is not organic.</p>
<p>The dairy farm we get milk from is next to the organic farm we get our CSA from and I&#8217;ve spoken to the owners of both farms about the fact that Hatcher milk is not organic.  Their position is that their cows are like part of their family, and sometimes homeopathic or naturopathic methods do not  work for things like mastitis, so they will administer anti-biotics in those cases.  At an organic dairy farm the cows would have to be &#8220;put down&#8221; otherwise b/c under no circumstances can anti-biotics be administered.  This makes sense to me, and I know that the cows are in the pasture most of the day and are healthy and happy.  That&#8217;s good enough for me!</p>
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		<title>By: La Mama Naturale'</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Mama Naturale'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,
I've heard that soy milk isn't all that great because it's overly processed but almond milk is okay because it come straight from the source. My son just started drinking goat millk a month ago and loves it.  Goat milk is easier to digest and is naturally homogenized. We have yet to find a local goat farmer in town...they're several but none that are actuallly sell it. We're still looking...keeping my fingers crossed. For now, we purchase it at the store- we live in Ca and the farm it's from is about 4 hrs. north of us! Here's more info on goat milk...
http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/aboutgoatsmilk.shtml
Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,<br />
I&#8217;ve heard that soy milk isn&#8217;t all that great because it&#8217;s overly processed but almond milk is okay because it come straight from the source. My son just started drinking goat millk a month ago and loves it.  Goat milk is easier to digest and is naturally homogenized. We have yet to find a local goat farmer in town&#8230;they&#8217;re several but none that are actuallly sell it. We&#8217;re still looking&#8230;keeping my fingers crossed. For now, we purchase it at the store- we live in Ca and the farm it&#8217;s from is about 4 hrs. north of us! Here&#8217;s more info on goat milk&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/aboutgoatsmilk.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/aboutgoatsmilk.shtml</a><br />
Hope this helps.</p>
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